Ai keeping up with the times

Lets hope we can get over the mature nature of WWII games in these articles, rather than just attract a bunch of hi cap heros to a different load out.

BTW for the record CiA is about / has always been ,about organising hi quality WWII games , not just talking on a forum about kit .

Absolutely right! Guy, you've hit the nail right on the head! I've seen those w*****s over on wannabe, I've seen them play and the kind of games they go to and the kind of people that idolise them. They are living proof that if you live for the kit alone, you lose the point (and tend to be a bit of a walter mitty arsehole!). I'd always rather be happier in a quality game, where people aren't too hung up and anal about kit to enjoy themselves and play the game. If the games and people are right in the first instance, then everything else will just fall into place afterwards (exactly as has happened with CiA, the games and the people that turn up for them).

By the way, congratulations Gadge!

FTR I trust Gadge to get the whole genre across

Lets hope we can get over the mature nature of WWII games in these articles, rather than just attract a bunch of hi cap heros to a different load out

Absolutely spot on, though it generally appeals to the *right* kind of people to start with. Presented in the right way - no matter what form of media it appears in - the "spray and pray brigade" will realise its not their kind of Airsoft.

Heide - Good points there. Exactly the reasons I quit that part of Airsoft. It was about an obsessional attitude to the gear and nothing more.

All good points, although i have to point out I want to cover WWII airsoft as a whole if I can, regardless of affiliation to CIA or PBI it's important to realise that the genre is bigger than any one group.

There are I would imagine a lot of wwii themed airsofters who have never heard of CIA, PBI or Gunman etc.

I recall meeting a guy at a phoenix open day last year who was wearing WWII US kit who had didn't use the internet and had no idea there were groups providing games.

Slightly missed the point there dude. I think we all agree that the way WW2 Airsoft has shaped up to be not just a typical sunday skirmish whilst wearing silly kit...

CiA or PBI dont even come into it....

Hi, good luck Gadge, this can only be good news.

Can I chuck in my opinions? I started out in the hicap spray and pray games where everyone on your side is playing on their own and it just means that (with fps limits and the reality of airsoft guns) there are no roles in a team. Everyone is carrying unlimited ammo and is effectively a support gunner.

I quickly moved to milsim with mid/ low caps and balancing rules for bolt action against AEG and it is so much better. My hope is that CIA will nurture the ww2 airsoft scene to maintain a slower paced more period style with mid caps and more accurate weapons balance (i.e bolt action rifle squads and a few MP40s/ Thompsons) but still remain inclusive so the person who turns up with his chinese Thompson and hicap will be welcomed.

Slow suits the more mature player, ahem like me!

My hope is that CIA will nurture the ww2 airsoft scene to maintain a slower paced more period style with mid caps and more accurate weapons balance (i.e bolt action rifle squads and a few MP40s/ Thompsons) but still remain inclusive so the person who turns up with his chinese Thompson and hicap will be welcomed.

Indeed we do, and always have, nurtured this sort of game. Our Churchill's Revenge game was particularly about patrolling and evade and capture and there is another game of this ilk planned for this year (without giving too much away), although this style of game doesn't suit everyone.

We will, of course, always welcome new players who don't have the level of kit realism that others have, as per our kit rules, so we continue to be fully inclusive and hold the same ethos of inclusion that we did on day one of this merry little set-up.

As for hi-caps, I don't have any other type of mag, yet still rarely get through more than the round limit in a day's gaming.

Hi, not having a pop at hi caps as I have lots myself but, especially where in ww2 airsoft we want to encourage more bolt action rifle squads as it looks so much better, but there is nothing like the click of an empty mid cap followed by a period of fumbling and muttering "oh sh*t, sh*t.." as the enemy take the opportunity to close in. You don't get that with hicaps as most of them can empty on one proper wind.

Plus lots of mid or low caps fills up your webbing nicely (-sag with weight-)

Completely agree, unfortunately finances dictate at the moment!

Plus we wouldn't want people thinking that our 600 round limit meant they HAD to have lo-caps. Hi-caps are fine, just don't exceed the ammo limit.

Hi, not having a pop at hi caps as I have lots myself but, especially where in ww2 airsoft we want to encourage more bolt action rifle squads as it looks so much better, but there is nothing like the click of an empty mid cap followed by a period of fumbling and muttering "oh sh*t, sh*t.." as the enemy take the opportunity to close in. You don't get that with hicaps as most of them can empty on one proper wind.

Plus lots of mid or low caps fills up your webbing nicely (-sag with weight-)

The good thing about CiA (and ww2 in general) games is that the 600 round ammo limit precludes people from emptying hicaps in one blast though. Although it's not as 'realistic' as lowcaps, it does mean that there's very little 'spray and pray' and more picking of targets with short bursts.

My Sten MkV only works with an internal hicap...

Also My Thompson 1928 should really only be used with the short 20 round thompson mags. These are only available as hicaps.

Sometimes its not even possible to avoid using them.

at the risk of this becoming a hicap v locap debate, the advantage a hicap gives (even with the ammo limit) is that it is possible for people to use their AEG as a support gun - holding down the trigger while charging forward or to use an aeg in what is effectively support mode with suppressing fire after all it is usually a short trip to the respawn point to replenish ammo and most players carry bottles of extra ammo on them. As a german I often feel out gunned by the sheer volume of fire coming from all the allies with thompsons, this wouldn't happen if they were using garands, or lo caps. And I have to say that I have never actually seen ammo limits enforced, and i am sure that the people carrying thompson mag pouches with four or five or six mags eg at d-day weren't all using locaps! in actual fact there were several m14s being used on full auto..... (its on the video!) so i personally would be for a locap/midcap only approach. It suppose links in to the discussion on the the other forum about the supposed new mp44 ......

To pick up on those points Neill (while we are wandering off-topic ).

At Battle of the Bulge it was Thompson vs Thompson (largely) so there wasn't the issue of unevenness, but you are right, MP40 vs Thompson even with ammo limits leads to frantic mag swapping for the Germans. I'm not sure how much it matters as instilling panic is an element of the game, depends how you look at it. At Hurtgen the Allies were restricted in other ways so, given unpredictable outcomes of games, one could say it hasn't been a big issue.

Full auto Allies against bolt action Axis at D-Day was interesting - rolling off the beach was easy for the Allies, yet at the second phase picking the Allies off with bolt action from high vantage points kept them at bay with relative ease...

Speaking for CiA games, you are right - we have never physically checked players. I hope we don't need to - I'm sure a fellow player would point out a transgression in-game.

However, there is definitely a case for re-iterating the rules before the game, 'cos people forget/haven't seen the web site/forum.

Finally, a confession. At one point at the Hurtgen game I grabbed Orky's M14 from the car for a change and happily revelled in it's accuracy and reach. It was only when driving home that I realised I had been using it on auto completely forgetting the rules! So, easily done. And probably, even if I had been reminded of the rules at the start of the game I would still have forgotten (old duffer syndrome )

easily done

It's true, I also saw M14s on full auto at D-Day, and while I don't agree (in fact, I deplore it as a game-spoiler), I can't see your argument about Thompsons Neill; after all, you use hi-caps! Axis-exclusive players seem to have a serious and non-diminishing chip on their collective shoulders about the 'Thompson hi-cap menace'...

My own personal beliefs on the spirit in which the game should be played allows me only lo-caps for my AEG Thompson, while all my other guns are in essence real-caps - the Garand, Carbine and, to a lesser extent, the Grease gun. Again it goes back to the inclusiveness of allowing people use whatever they have available, and most people have neither the money nor werewithall to go out and stock up on (hardly inexpensive) lo-caps.

The only way to make sure that people play to the letter of the law is to issue magazines with BBs, and hire out weapons with only single shot active where necessary. Not a bad plan, but who will pay for all of that?

yes its true that I have hicaps for my mp40 but I was unable to use them at dray due to my non working gun for my mp44 conversion I had one working mag which took 300 rounds I only made hicaps for my mp40 because of the diadvantage of only having locaps v thommos I was merely reflecting the views of several Germans I have spoken to recently up to getting my mp44 my favourute gun is my garand shorty always used on single let's face it hi caps are a convenient way to carry ammo it depends how you play I like short bursts so I tend only to pull the trigger when I am sure of the shot. Didnyt mean to upset or criticize anyone but it is worth disccussing these issues even in a hijacked thread!

If people want to see an unfairness against their side they will see one. That doesn't mean there is one.

It happens all the time, not just in airsoft. However that doesn't mean its real.

I'm not saying that there is definitly no advantage to hicaps over locaps, but I think its probably overestimated.

I'd agree with that.

well dun gadge and AI

interesting debate about hi-caps V low caps,
poll ?

OMG are there different mag’s out I didn’t know that cause i hardly get out of the safe zone these days